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Offline xxConan

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Re: Mana burn
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2020, 02:13:31 AM »
Stop posting on my post for attention tyrake, ty

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Re: Mana burn
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2020, 08:02:14 PM »
Final secret+ explosion + divine warrior pattack , + you are paper healer.

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Re: Mana burn
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2020, 08:03:32 PM »
no, this time no explosion..

anyway GK have too OP DMG.. i understand 1 hit for 7.. but no every hit.. regular hit for 2-3k when gk have 1200 atk.spd or more.. GG pffff
« Last Edit: April 12, 2020, 08:23:03 PM by Tyrake »

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Re: Mana burn
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2020, 12:25:02 PM »
My tests so far:

Mana Burn:

Human Cardinal
- Archangel Sword Acumen, Set Elegia Robe, Blessed Earring of Zaken, Earring of Antharas, Necklace of Valakas, Ring of Beleth, Improved Ring of Baium
- Everything 6+, fully attributed
- Acumen, Empower, Profecy of Water
- No dyes
- No clan skills

Human Phoenix Knight
- Eternal Core Sword, Set Elegia Heavy, Blessed Earring of Zaken, Earring of Antharas, Necklace of Valakas, Ring of Beleth, Improved Ring of Baium
- Everything 6+, fully attributed
- Magic Barrier, Mental Shield
- No dyes
- No clan skills

Mana Burn: 338
Mana Burn Critical: 1016

 
The same test with 16+ equipment instead of 6+ on both:

Mana Burn: 294
Mana Burn Critical: 882


The same test with 16+ equipment instead of 6+ on both, and full buffs:
Human Phoenix Knight: Berserker Spirit - no , Chant of Victory - yes
Human Cardinal: Berserker Spirit - yes, Magnus`Chant - yes

Mana Burn: 235
Mana Burn Critical: 588


The test was done on the Test Server with similar files as your server. If you have a print of six thousand mana burn critical, post it. I have been unable to duplicate that.

Edited: Mana Burn enchanted 30+ Power
« Last Edit: April 23, 2020, 12:49:00 PM by Ainu »

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Re: Mana burn
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2020, 12:30:25 PM »
Trance:

Human Cardinal
- Archangel Sword Acumen, Set Elegia Robe, Blessed Earring of Zaken, Earring of Antharas, Necklace of Valakas, Ring of Beleth, Improved Ring of Baium
- Everything 6+, fully attributed
- Acumen, Empower, Profecy of Water
- No dyes
- No clan skills

Human Phoenix Knight
- Eternal Core Sword, Set Elegia Heavy, Blessed Earring of Zaken, Earring of Antharas, Necklace of Valakas, Ring of Beleth, Improved Ring of Baium
- Everything 6+, fully attributed
- Magic Barrier, Mental Shield
- No clan skills
- Everything 6+, fully attributed

Trance success rate: 9-11%
 
The same test with 16+ equipment instead of 6+ on both:

Trance success rate: 11-13%

The same test with 16+ equipment instead of 6+ on both, and full buffs:
Human Phoenix Knight: Berserker Spirit - no , Chant of Victory - yes
Human Cardinal: Berserker Spirit - yes, Magnus`Chant - yes

Trance success rate: 12-14%

Edited: Trance enchanted 30+ Chance
« Last Edit: April 23, 2020, 12:50:04 PM by Ainu »

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Re: Mana burn
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2020, 05:04:09 PM »
Hey Ainu, thanks for the tests and replies.

First, there is NO way this is Trance land rate inside olympiad. I have played numerous matches against SE/EE/Cardi (mostly Tyrake's chars) with the following classes: Spellsinger, Doombringer, Tyrant, Sorceror.

All chars have passive skill Wisdom enchanted to +15 on the sleep resistance route. Always wearing Necklace of Valakas and White talisman of Attention against a Trance class. What I can tell you is this:

On spellsinger/sorceror it might be close to the number you are saying, but on Doombringer there is definitely NO CHANCE this is the true land rate. It feels way, way more, closer to 50% or even higher on my Doombringer. I will try to record a match asap and provide actual proof, but if you could, please test with some other class other than paladin!

Also, tell us your dyes and your con/wit/int stats on the chars you're testing, thanks!
I would suggest testing with Shilen Saint and Doombringer next, like this:

Shilen Saint: Necklace of Valakas, Antharas, B.Zaken, Beleth, Impr. Baium, Mid/Top s84 mage weap, Elegia +6, wit+4 men-4, con +4 str-4, dex+4 str-4 dyes

Doombringer: Same jewels, Elegia set, wit +4 int-4 dyes and White talisman of Attention equipped.

I would do tests on all conditions: Oly buffs, no buffs, full buffs.

The reason i'm suggesting this test is because from all the Trance classes, Shilen Saint has the most INT, which is supposed to be the stat affecting debuff land rate. I am not sure how this works here, but I definitely feel like Shilen Saint is landing it way more. On the other hand, wit is supposed to affect debuff resistance, and that's why I said to test with the dyes players actually use, it might look completely different compared to no dyes at all.

Looking forward to the results, thanks!

P.S. I would really like Tyrake's honest contribution to this, he has used Trance more than anyone and can provide reliable info
« Last Edit: April 24, 2020, 06:00:37 PM by Ancano »

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Re: Mana burn
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2020, 05:23:48 PM »
Debuff working good. On this server when DD have soooooo gooood dmg support class have only one chance to win.. root or sleep. thats all, nothing more. Paladyn have awesome dmg, gk have awesome dmg, dagger 1 hit 8-9k awesome hit. So if you look for it support class are normal. If gm want nerfed paladyn, gk, daggers suport class will need nerf too. But when gm dont want nerf pala, gk and daggers, support class work good. Thats all Ancano

PS. Your fear work pretty good too. I really need make good match with sps.. When i play on home i can do it, but when im on work delegation i have bad connection and i cant good run etc.

First you all guys cry for Eva Saint. Now when i play on Shilen Saint you cry for this class. Nice :) Soon you will cry for Saggitarious or Swordsinger
« Last Edit: April 24, 2020, 05:31:23 PM by Tyrake »

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Re: Mana burn
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2020, 06:02:00 PM »
None of this is crying. I believe we are genuinely trying to make server as balanced as possible. I for one never go for a class because it's "OP". I chose spellsinger as my main olympiad class for god's sake XD

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Re: Mana burn
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2020, 02:47:32 AM »
Trance:

Dark Elf Shillien Saint
- Archangel Sword Acumen, Set Elegia Robe, Blessed Earring of Zaken, Earring of Antharas, Necklace of Valakas, Ring of Beleth, Improved Ring of Baium
- Olf`s T-shirt 9+
- Everything 6+, fully attributed
- Acumen, Empower, Profecy of Wind, Berserker Spirit - yes
- Wit 5+ Men 5-
- Olympiad Game
- Trance 30+ Chance

Kamael Doombringer
- Pyseal Blade, Set Elegia Light, Blessed Earring of Zaken, Earring of Antharas, Necklace of Valakas, Ring of Beleth, Improved Ring of Baium
- Olf`s T-shirt 9+
- Everything 6+, fully attributed
- Mental Shield, Berserker Spirit - no
- Wit 4+ Int 4-
- Olympiad Game
- Wisdom 15+ Power Sleep Resistance

Trance Chance: 10-12% Soul Barrier - no
Trance Chance: 9-11% Soul Barrier - yes
Trance Chance: 9-10% Soul Barrier - yes, Courage - yes

WIT is not a factor in debuff ressistance, MEN is. Each classes stats are default, and changed by those dyes. No Talismans were used.

I saw the video from another post http://l2viserion.com/forum/index.php?topic=14319.0, and the land rate is 5/11, but you know that it is not a conclusive test. Eleven tries are not enough.

If i can suggest, to try to have a setup on the server and fight a Shillien Saint, and make the match only about Trance land rate. Maybe my files are off, but Max assures me they are not. Make at least one hundred hits. If we nerf Trance based only on this match, we might destroy this class option for players.

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Re: Mana burn
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2020, 10:25:54 AM »
An interesting point to make in all these tests should be the use of interface. Ancano uses it and most of the players. I think it impacts on how some skills work.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2020, 01:33:50 PM by Gaia »

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Re: Mana burn
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2020, 03:54:32 PM »
Thanks for the reply Ainu!

First of all, it goes without saying that 11 tries are not sufficient to draw a statistically significant conclusion. However, I would not make this post if this hadn't had happened to me in numerous matches, although I am not expecting you to take my word for it, of course.

I am truly surprised by the results, but I guess the science doesn't lie. Therefore I am wondering how we could setup an oly match like this on the actual live server. I would be willing to assist if you are willing to do that.

About what Gaia commented, I don't see any apparent reason why interface should interfere with this. The case with celestial shield was solved when we found there is an actual setting to disable it via interface. I understand this is completely different

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Re: Mana burn
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2020, 10:59:03 AM »
mana burn should be ok now, please test, also I added on the checklist everything reported but it will take time, right now i'm still far behind with support requests, after I finish with those I will focus on testing/solving those issues.

Max.