Report Player Dodaki2 PKed My Character Inside Zaken

[Shadowsong]

I'd like to report a player. Their character's name is Dodaki2. They killed my character, Shadowsong, during a Zaken Raid. We were obviously in a party, and he turned hostile without any reason or cause. I understand that this kind of behavior is not allowed, or at least it should not be because it makes no sense to kill your party members and prevent them from getting loot. This incident occurred about 20 to 30 minutes ago. It's crucial that such misconduct is not overlooked to prevent it from becoming a common practice. I hope the Staff takes strict action. Thank you very much

[Deviant]

 

Cry more.

[kavv]

I understand that this kind of behavior is not allowed, or at least it should not be because it makes no sense to kill your party members and prevent them from getting loot.

Im pretty sure it is allowed and thats the reason dead players do not get rewards inside instances. It seems like it was coded for that specific reason.
I dont like it as well, we all have seen healers stop healing specific players during the end of a raid or others even pk them.

Would be nice to change it to retail like.

[Scypfer]

 "Pvp / Pk Rules:

- It is forbidden to PK in low level area with a high level character."

That's the only rule against pk's we have it on the server.

[Shadowsong]

In light of the staff's response regarding PvP / PK rules, it seems imperative to suggest an update to the current regulations. I have been an active player since 2019, and I am fairly certain that the practice of killing party members during raids should not be permitted. If such actions are allowed, it logically follows that one must form a party with a healer and a powerful DD (Damage Dealer) to simply eliminate other players and monopolize all the loot. This approach not only undermines the spirit of teamwork but also diminishes the overall gaming experience. Frankly, the staff's response is somewhat disappointing, as it fails to address the core issue of fostering a fair and enjoyable environment for all players. I strongly believe it's time to reconsider and update the rules to reflect a more balanced and equitable gameplay experience.

[kavv]

In light of the staff's response regarding PvP / PK rules, it seems imperative to suggest an update to the current regulations. I have been an active player since 2019, and I am fairly certain that the practice of killing party members during raids should not be permitted. If such actions are allowed, it logically follows that one must form a party with a healer and a powerful DD (Damage Dealer) to simply eliminate other players and monopolize all the loot. This approach not only undermines the spirit of teamwork but also diminishes the overall gaming experience. Frankly, the staff's response is somewhat disappointing, as it fails to address the core issue of fostering a fair and enjoyable environment for all players. I strongly believe it's time to reconsider and update the rules to reflect a more balanced and equitable gameplay experience.

Totally agree with you, just a side question. Did you type that or gemini/chatgpt?

[Scypfer]

To be honest, why dont you propose to forbid pvp on the server? PK is part of the game, we are not in real life to ban killings(pk), when is not breaking the rule with low lvl pk. Pls, enjoy the server, and just be carreful with unkonwn players with who you go to raids. Cheers!

[kavv]

To be honest, why dont you propose to forbid pvp on the server? PK is part of the game, we are not in real life to ban killings(pk), when is not breaking the rule with low lvl pk. Pls, enjoy the server, and just be carreful with unkonwn players with who you go to raids. Cheers!

Totally unprofessional and childish answer...

The guy above chose to play the mmo (massive multiplayer online) game together with other players as its designed and intended to and your asnwer is "be careful with unknown players" like should we not use the .party fanction you guys provide us??

Your comparison of gaming pk and IRL is totally out of place... Even official game has punishments for pking which by the way are way more harsh than here and as thats not enough you add extra rewarding to pking by either adding a ranking list to promote that behaviour and EVEN WORSE giving them the tool to profit from their party teammates by pking them to get the drops they should get even when they would be dead.

Please stop trying to teach us how the game works or should work. We didnt ask you and we dont care.

[Shadowsong]

To be honest, why dont you propose to forbid pvp on the server? PK is part of the game, we are not in real life to ban killings(pk), when is not breaking the rule with low lvl pk. Pls, enjoy the server, and just be carreful with unkonwn players with who you go to raids. Cheers!

My argument isn't about the general PvP or PK aspects of the game, which indeed are part of gameplay. My concern specifically addresses the issue of in-party PK during raids, which fundamentally disrupts the intended collaborative spirit of these events. This isn't about equating in-game actions with real-life morality; it's about ensuring a fair and enjoyable experience for all players.

The core of any successful MMORPG is its community and the mutual respect among its players. Allowing a party member to PK teammates without any repercussion goes against the grain of what makes these games engaging and rewarding. It's not merely about being cautious with whom one raids; it's about fostering an environment where teamwork and collaboration are celebrated and not undermined by the threat of internal sabotage.

The staff should viewing this feedback as an opportunity for improvement rather than a challenge to the status quo could greatly enhance the gaming experience for your entire player base. It's about evolving the game to meet the expectations of its community and ensuring that it remains a welcoming and fair space for all.

As curious as it may sound... I agree with Kavv (by the way I am not a native English speaker so I use help to translate my words)

[Scypfer]

"GM kavv" like some of the players call you, you can agree or not with me, but you cant call uprofesional answer. What do you expect me to say? I have my vision about the game, and i dont agree with no pk because you where in a party. I dont care if you are in a party or not, players can make pvp/pk where they want. We, as the admins, can't forbid those kind of behivor, it's the gameplay of the Lineage 2. Tell me what is the punishment in the official server for pk? I understand it's not a good thing to be unsafe when you go to some areas or you are in some partys, but that's the game, you can't expect to be safe surrounded by strangers. What do you expect? To be a police now, and start ban/jail players who make pk's? Like some players talk erlier on the server, this game is to play with others, but if you are not sure about your party, dont go with them, make a party with your friends and allys. And you said to not compair with real life, i will compair it, because it is like in real life in some aspects : if you wanna do something in server/real life...do it with someone you can count on it, or if you dont do that, dont expect that other persons to be honest like you, and threath you well.

[Scypfer]

Shadowsong, i am agree with you in some ways, but we are not living in a perfect world. Everybody wants more, and because of that, some players with low morality will do such things, but we are not here to judge those players morality. It's a part of the game. "it's about fostering an environment where teamwork and collaboration are celebrated and not undermined by the threat of internal sabotage." --- do you really think that? Then why do you go to siege to take other clan castle? Because they own that castle, and it's a bad thing to take it from them. Or why do you play oly? Because other player is hero, and you want to take what he have. That's the same thing when you go to win something from RB's...you can't be sure you will survive, you can't be sure you will take any loot, because someone else want the exact thing you want. It's a cruel world, but that's make it beutefull.

[Shadowsong]

Shadowsong, i am agree with you in some ways, but we are not living in a perfect world. Everybody wants more, and because of that, some players with low morality will do such things, but we are not here to judge those players morality. It's a part of the game. "it's about fostering an environment where teamwork and collaboration are celebrated and not undermined by the threat of internal sabotage." --- do you really think that? Then why do you go to siege to take other clan castle? Because they own that castle, and it's a bad thing to take it from them. Or why do you play oly? Because other player is hero, and you want to take what he have. That's the same thing when you go to win something from RB's...you can't be sure you will survive, you can't be sure you will take any loot, because someone else want the exact thing you want. It's a cruel world, but that's make it beutefull.

First, thank for your answer and your time. I understand your point of view. However there are a fundamental distinction between the competition expected within the parameters of the game, such as sieges (where I remind you the members of a party or cc cannot attack each other precisely to prevent betrayals), olys, or PvP events. , and the action of betraying members of your own team during a raid. While the former encourages healthy competition and is an inherent part of strategy and gameplay, the latter undermines the trust and collaboration essential to team gameplay.

The issue is about establishing clear boundaries that differentiate between fair competition and actions that undermine the collaborative gaming experience. Allowing betrayal within groups without consequences goes against creating a strong and committed community.

If the answer is that "anything goes" within this virtual world, then that needs to be clearly communicated to the community so that players can adjust their expectations and strategies accordingly. However, I would argue that fostering an environment where players can trust their teammates is not only desirable, but essential to the long-term success of the game.

It seems that under your administration, this will become the Wild West Lineage 2, and you will be the Laissez-Faire Sheriff, where the rules are minimal and everyone looks out for themselves. If that's the case, it would be helpful to clarify this stance so that all players understand the type of environment and community they are entering.

[kavv]

"GM kavv" like some of the players call you, you can agree or not with me, but you cant call uprofesional answer. What do you expect me to say? I have my vision about the game, and i dont agree with no pk because you where in a party. I dont care if you are in a party or not, players can make pvp/pk where they want. We, as the admins, can't forbid those kind of behivor, it's the gameplay of the Lineage 2. Tell me what is the punishment in the official server for pk? I understand it's not a good thing to be unsafe when you go to some areas or you are in some partys, but that's the game, you can't expect to be safe surrounded by strangers. What do you expect? To be a police now, and start ban/jail players who make pk's? Like some players talk erlier on the server, this game is to play with others, but if you are not sure about your party, dont go with them, make a party with your friends and allys. And you said to not compair with real life, i will compair it, because it is like in real life in some aspects : if you wanna do something in server/real life...do it with someone you can count on it, or if you dont do that, dont expect that other persons to be honest like you, and threath you well.

"GM kavv" like some of the players call you, you can agree or not with me, but you cant call uprofesional answer.

Here you come again unprofessional as always being ironic calling me GM siding with the coplains of randoms trying to dmg my name and achievements in this game. Your behaviour is unacceptable.
I was pretty clear with my msg above on why your answer was unprofessional, i didnt edit my msg so feel free to scrol up and reread it.
But if you need an extra point you try to change the conversation from pking to pvping+pking when that guys issue was clear from the begining.

What do you expect me to say? I have my vision about the game, and i dont agree with no pk because you where in a party.

I think its fair to say that we expect you to say nothing if you have nothing to add.

We, as the admins, can't forbid those kind of behivor, it's the gameplay of the Lineage 2.

Again you twist my words which shows what kind of person you are. Dead players can get drops if they are in range but in this pack/files inside instances for some reason they cant. Its edited to harm pked players.

What do you expect? To be a police now, and start ban/jail players who make pk's?

Answered right above.

Like some players talk erlier on the server, this game is to play with others, but if you are not sure about your party, dont go with them, make a party with your friends and allys.

You will never be sure of what other players intentions are, even if they are you ally/clan mates. This is the admins or coders job to provide an environment which does not allow douchebags and scammers to profit from the common player.

At the end of the day all I asked was to let dead players get drops or punish harder pkers.

[voL]

just made my acc on forum for the extra content and i saw you posted about my char , yes i remember pking that npc char for reason of being a pepega and not agreeing to change the loot in the raid while the rest 8 ppl agreed.In other words you were keeping hostages 8 ppl , also there is no such a report for pking grow up and move on.